Two responses to the question about direct limits........DMD _________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: response and question From: N P Strickland Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:02:31 +0100 >> Everybody believes that homotopy commutes with direct limits. Does it in >> general? No. Let Y_k be the arc in the unit circle from angle 0 to 2 pi - 1/k, and put X_k = S1/Y_k. Then the colimit of the X_k's (at least in the usual category of compactly generated weak hausdorff spaces) is a point, so colim \pi_1(X_k) = Z is not the same as \pi_1(colim X_k). If we don't impose the hausdorff condition, then the colimit has two points, and I'm not sure about its fundamental group. Neil _______________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: response and question From: Tom Goodwillie Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:43:36 -0400 > > Subject: colimits and homotopy > From: "Claude Schochet" > Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 21:25:38 -0400 > > For toplist: > > Everybody believes that homotopy commutes with direct limits. Does it in > general? > > To be precise, suppose that X is the direct limit of a directed (not > necessarily countable) family X_\alpha of topological spaces with structural > maps not necessarily 1-1. Then one would like that the natural map > > dirlim \pi _*(X_\alpha ) \to \pi _*(X) > > would be an isomorphism. If I assume nothing about the spaces and nothing > about the structural maps other than continuity, is this true? Obviously the > key point is that any map from a compact K to X should factor through some > X_\alpha. This is true, for instance, if we have a countable increasing > union with X having the weak topology and each X_n closed in the next, by > Whitehead 1.6.3. I don't believe that you even need "closed", as long as the spaces are Hausdorff, or even T_1: Let K be a compact subset of X that is not contained in any X_\n. One can recursively make an increasing sequence of numbers {n_j} and points x_j in K such that x_j is not in X_{n_j}. Then the infinite set S={x_j} is closed in X because it intersects each X_n in a finite set. Every subset of S is closed for the same reason. Therefore S is infinite, discrete, and compact, a contradiction. > Is that the best result? Does it help to assume that each > space is the homotopy type of a CW complex? Here is an instructive example: Let C be a circle. Let {A_n} be a sequence of closed arcs in C such that A_n is in the interior of A_{n+1} and such that the union U of all the A_n is the complement of a point in C. Let X_n be C/A_n. The colimit of the diagram of circles X_1 -> X_2 -> ... is C/U, a two-point space in which only one of the points is closed. Or if you prefer to form the colimit in the category of Hausdorff or T_1 spaces then the colimit is a point. Either way, pi_1 comes out wrong. Tom Goodwillie