The following... ridiculousness... took place over the course of 3 hours: --> NSVOE (n=blake@68.96.153.67) has joined #mythtv-users hellow where can someone find pages n hardware compatability on If you're talking about tuner compatibility, the wikis at www.linuxtv.org oooh ok so it's on the wiki ...ok "the" wiki :) *a* wiki anyway out on the internets so if my card is not there...then , it won't work?? does myth tv support wrappers>> ?? What tuner card are you asking about? yes, generally, if it's not on either the DVB or v4l wiki, it won't work Geniatech NTSC Tuner Card NSVOE, That card, if support exists, would be in the v4l wiki. THERE WAS ONLY LIKE 10 cards there! If it's not there, it's a pretty good chance it's not supported there are *hundreds* of cards in there and stop yelling that's outrageous deserves yelling, and your talking about witch wiki?? the one I linked you to at linuxtv.org... and even if it were true, why would it be outrageous/deserve yelling? aah yes ...there were like 10 cards listed i'm there Then your reading skills need some attention http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Main_Page i'd paste it but you would just argue flooding ? paste ! paste On the page I linked there are subpages for each chipset, each of which list dozens of supported cards... http://rafb.net/p/cZ6BAP49.html NSVOE, you are *really* not spending much time looking NSVOE, You need to tune up your attitude or you are not going to get any more help here i must not know what i'm looking for ok, i'm washed out i've been looking for hours on the internet for a decent card that myth tv will use and it needs to be low profile , and i finaly find one and now i am starting to find thatmyth tvmight not support it, can someone give me a personal sugestion on witch card to chose i really have no personale prefrence ooh yeah did i mention it needs to be cheap NSVOE: totally depends what you're looking for. analogue? digital ? que? The best card for analogue is the hauppauge pvr150 - also available in low profile Hauppauge PVR-150. The end. so that's why i might seem a bit iritated never thought of that, but iamlindoro_is right i spoke too soon it might need to be digital seeing as how were all going digital can i get a sugestion one more time pls? NSVOE: Hauppauge PVR150 there are no other analogue cards worth having as for digital - there are the PCHDTV series of cards - I believe some of them are low profile too i have digital cable....so i'm just assumeing that i need digital ??? (sereously) in the case of there being no low profile cards being suitable - put the lame box in the bin & get one which takes proper cards and for digital, you need to keep in mind the probably limitations (ie if you plug it in to your cable you are likely to only get network and local TV, and none of the other channels er probably NSVOE: thing is, with digital cable you're only likely to ever get what the company supply unencrypted (at best) which = Local and Network Tv, no comedy central, no HBO, no discovery HD, etc. i didn't think to careever or never???? ..... so myth tv prolly won't work the same with cox at least, without going through a set top box first - and in that case your best bet is to use firewire - but even then they don't let you use everything you pay for with firewire either like on demand it's not a limitation of linux or with mythtv. it's down to the abject greed of cable companies I know that Cox in the San Diego area encrypts *everything* but local and network TV, and via firewire it's network TV only. and no cablecard support is ever likely to emerge for linux - infact what little cablecard support there's ever going to be for home computers will be limited to strictly controlled PC vendors can't wait to see what kind of hassle DVB-T2 is going to be justinh, don't you agree we *seriously* need a !encryption command for a bot? so that we can stop doing this thrice-daily? wouldn't be a problem if anybody bothered to read the FAQ maybe FAQs should be called FUCs (frequently unread constants) so justinh is there a solution, i have a set top box from big cable. so cable does not let you use something else other than their box even at request?? you got it a minority of people get lucky with firewire outputs of set top boxes & get everything they pay for working over firewire NSVOE, There is no solution. With MythTV you will only be able to tune unencrypted channels digitally, meaning usually only network TV. You can tune everything w/ a set top box and analog, but that means standard def only. so what can you do?? i wouldn't mind useing the settop box plus the dvr and i know that there is a way cause philips sells a pvr NSVOE: you can make do with what little you can get, or you get their pvr er settop box plus myth that's how they want it, and it's unlikely to ever change NSVOE, as long as all you want is standard def, STB + analog tuner in myth will work fine. well iamlindoro_things just got alot more complicated justinh: what was the name o that huging card again?? pvr150 thx Mmmm, hugging card, sounds cozy justinh: the Hauppauge PVR-150 is "wintv"??? wintv pvr-150 NSVOE: so long as it has PVR-150 in the name it's good it's sad that so many things still have 'win' in their name, even in this day & age! oooh justinh i called my cable sp and they said that it should wour for most people but you must buy the dvr servace from them , then they would start sending out something to the box that would enable you to use it (not the dvr) just the servace does that sound fimaliar NSVOE, completely and utterly wrong painfully, painfully, nightmare-inducingly wrong GED-seekingly wrong sounds like another cable company fib along the lines of "you need our box to get HDTV" or, "the FCC is making you get our digital cable." dude justinh that card is like 77 dollars you sure we can't get any cheaper ? NSVOE, newegg has PVR-150s for $50 it doesn't need to be that spesific one just bla bla .....pvr-150 and if you want a halfway-decent analog card then yes, you need to get a pvr-150 how do i kno that myth will suppor it NSVOE, because PVR-150s are all made by hauppauge and they're supported? i don't know Well *I* do. And they are. OH ooh ok i thought you were asking me for some reason NSVOE: buy the PVR500 it is two 150's in one PCI card. I have two and you will immediately feel limited if/when you want to record two shows or watch tv and record something else etc. with just one tuner that's just my opinion though. :) well... that's a point but i am really curious to know how cable companys do it with only one NSVOE, only one what? they only have one input They have a splitter inside the box it's still two tuners in there aaah ic the PVR-500 is the same way, it's one connection into the card, and split internally to two tuners i thought that but i wasn't sure if they found some way to emulate with hardware or....something iamlindoro_: what's with this pchdtv card NSVOE, it's a digital tuner card-- like we told you before, most people are limited to local channels and network TV only because all the other channels are encrypted and before you ask, *no*, there is no way to decrypt with a set top box before sending it to a digital tuner well i fixed that with my cable company so now i need a diffrent card? and i DO have digital NSVOE, You did *not* fix anything with your cable co They cannot selectively send a channel unencypted to a single user There is *no way* to do so with cable-- if a channel is encrypted, it is encrypted to *all* people in the cable system that's not what they said NSVOE, "they" are wrong they said that they send the key once you pay the 11 dollars for the sercice servace NSVOE, which is received by a *set top box only* Anyone here want to help me break this down for him? no no set top box i made that clear to them how do you think panasonic can use their stuff NSVOE, Then they either lied or were uninformed-- they *cannot* selectively decrypt digital channels for a single user, it just doesn't work that way their independant NSVOE, It's an *analog tuner* i didn't say that i said that they send the key to decrypt it to whatever is hooked up NSVOE, I'm not going to argue with you about it, that's *not* how digital tuners work, they don't accept "keys" from the cable co i called it a key she called it somethign else i forgot NSVOE, they don't accept *anything* besides a TV signal, no matter *what* you call it And they are *incapable* of doing any sort of decryption the receiveing en does the encryption end NSVOE, you are lost, seriously... you need to listen-- *no* American digital tuning card that works with MythTV will *ever* be able to tune an encrypted channel, and cable technology will *not* allow them to send unencrypted signals to a single user ffs, will *someone* step in and explain this to him? please and keep in mind that i am a technition What needs explanation, he is correct. grassieass And by that I mean, iamindoro is correct maybe the cable company was going attempt to install a cable card into his pvr? possibly the only reasonthat the cable company uses cards is so that they cannot easily be hacked and made to recive a billion channels yet are still hacked NSVOE, Cablecard has not been hacked, and there will never be a linux implementation of it anyway you could use software alythograms to recive the same codes that the cable company are useing , and utlise the codes or WhatEver it is they do , with software NSVOE, we are all trying to save you some trouble here-- if you buy a digital tuner card, you will plug it in, scan, and in spite of anything you may have paid for or your cable company believes, you will find that you will *only* get locals and network TV and yes cable box cards actually have ben compromised NSVOE, link? NSVOE: Got a link to Anything about that other than someone posting "yeah I did it" on a webforum ? lol i know of a place that....vaguely knew of a place that heard all about it NSVOE, this is not a room of simpletons, people in here know a *lot* about television... we are not making the stuff up, and we are *not* uninformed... everything we are telling you is the truth Your cable co cannot flip some switch that will allow you to receive all your channels unencrypted without giving it to *everyone* on the cable system really are you fimilar with broadmabd routeing scheme NSVOE: He is absolutely correct cause the iee commision actualy has a standard for routeing rj-11 er sorry rg It would not only be ridiculous hardware costs but would also alloow at a MINIMUM your entire neighbourhood to get them unencrypted as well they can send you a smiley face right on your tv screen while your watching tv they can only send per-subscriber stuff with *their* set top box, and that is via IP, not via the cable system actually ip scheme is faulty the iee is changeing it in the future NSVOE, have no idea what you mean by that, but each STB in a digital cable system *does* have an IP address you sure it doesn't have a mac adress?? It has both, in fact. the indivualised number burned into the mainboard chips , at the time of it's creation That's a MAC address, and like I said, the box has both NSVOE, what is it exactly you are trying to do, here? You're not telling me anything I didn't already know, but you need to get this point-- you *cannot* send unencrypted to a single user, and digital tuner cards *cannot* decrypt. Therefore, you *cannot* get all your channels via digital from your cable co without them giving them to many thousands of users at the same time iee institute for electrical electronics engenering NSVOE, it's IEEE, and yes, we know. So? so they say what's possable not NSVOE, what is it you think we are wrong about? I used to work in a cable headend, how much more expertise should I have to convince you? those green boxes out side are usually switches, and the ones by your house are hubs and the ones on your street are routers they have just as much control as i do over my remote computers NSVOE, *all* the channels in your cable system are *always* being broadcast down the line at *all* times-- they do *not* route the video to you * keith4_ is confused about this discussion * iamlindoro__ is confused by the thick-headedness keith4_: probably less confusing if you /ign the kook. :P i don't thing that's even theoreticly possable...............hold on, let me think NSVOE: you think this is 10mbit coax ethernet they're using or what? i know it's stp spanning tree protocol? :o ... try again \un like cat 5 witch is utp you think cable comes over shielded twisted pair? NSVOE: so, what is your field of expertise really? Interactive E-Solutions, obviously [based on his IP] i'm a consultant NSVOE-- facts about cable: all the channels are being broadcast, in parallel across the entire system at once. To turn off encryption on a single channel would make it unencrypted to all users on that node. Current cable systems are neither switched nor routed. Facts! * keith4_ enjoys his unencrypted digital cable and HD * directhex hands iamlindoro__ some coax * iamlindoro__ is bout to take NSVOE out back with the "rubber coax." do you know anything about broadband cable * iamlindoro__ points at the part above where he said he WORKED IN A FUCKING CABLE HEADEND iamlindoro__: 10base-5 should do the job just fine. .. I can't tell if he's serious, or just enjoys goading you guys NSVOE: I use to work adminning a cable modem ISp, (including the initial install of all of the cablemodem gear, both DOCSIS and pre DOCSIS) and then spent 4 years supporting cable companies so yeah, iamlindoro and I have a hands on clue about what we are talking about how do you think they are actuall capable of sending internet phone and tv through one cable so you are either a troll, really dense, or were sold a bill of goods by and idiot number one it's full duplex OF COURSE and the main reason is because of multiplexing cmon guys. don't give him the pleasure. I bet he is laughing his a** off there... :) he's gotta be trolling * directhex megaplexes GreyFoxx to the plasma manifold not jokeing and the way they can route is time devision multiplexing NSVOE: Irrelevant They are BROADCASTING the video signals furthermore, multiplex wavelength consultant Megabits, Cat 5, cat 5 cat 5. all of the subchannels have a demultiplexer maybe he's a bot witch would be yuur tv....cable phone looks a lot like an eggdrop bot ...pre-fed with telecom jargon i learned this stuff at school And "A Childs Treasury of Misspelled words" and at the iee not fed anything but true knowlege what school? --- ChanServ gives channel operator status to GreyFoxx Junior High NSVOE, You may have gone to school, but your learning is looking a little questionable from where we stand do you know what TDM is ruh roh, banhammer in 5... --- GreyFoxx removes channel operator status from NSVOE --- GreyFoxx sets ban on *!*n=blake@68.96.153.* <-- GreyFoxx has kicked NSVOE from #Mythtv-users (I learned this in IRC school. I've had enough of this dense conversation) iamlindoro_: That's amazing! It says Multimplex Wavelength Consultant Megabits, Cat 5, cat 5, cat 5." on my business card! that was a quick 5 keith4_: no units specified. :P touché I've seen a lot of stuff in here, and that's the first time I've *ever* seen someone kicked. Crazy! I'm usually a very patient person, but jesus Now about that extra-wide business card of yours --- GreyFoxx removes ban on *!*n=blake@68.96.153.* --- GreyFoxx sets ban on *!*@68.96.153.67)