Subject: for the list Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:35:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "W. Stephen Wilson" To: dmd1@lehigh.edu Don, for the list, Steve Dear Colleagues, I have been drafted into the (K-12) math wars and will be on a panel in mid October related to this. I would like to present some data about the cost of students not being prepared for college but am having some difficulty coming up with it. It is possible that some of you may either have the data I want already or can get it fairly easily. If students are not prepared reasonably well then they don't get into Johns Hopkins so the data I want isn't available here. I know that many places, especially some big state universities with liberal admission policies, have a lot of students in courses with material which we believe should have been mastered in high school. What I would like to know is: How many of these students ever satisfactorily complete a full year of real college level math? The ideal data set for me would be something really simple like: We have 7,000 students this fall taking remedial math, algebra, or pre-calculus, and history shows that about 70 of them will finish a year of calculus. The point which I want to make is that if a student doesn't learn high school math in high school then they have a math handicap which is rarely overcome. Anyway, if someone has some useful data along this line then I would appreciate hearing from them. Sincerely, Steve W. Stephen Wilson (410) 516-7413 Department of Mathematics FAX (410) 516-5549 Johns Hopkins University Baltimore, MD 21218 wsw@math.jhu.edu http://www.math.jhu.edu/~wsw/