Subject: SciAm reference re Stasheff Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 09:34:59 -0500 (EST) From: Jack Morava You may be tired of this topic by now, but here are some remarks by Herb Bernstein about the Scientific American article which Jim asked about. I'm embarassed that I'd forgotten that another close friend, Tony Phillips at Stonybrook, was co-author of the article. +++++++++++++++++++++++ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 14:05:36 -0500 From: Herbert J Bernstein Subject: Re: SciAm Fiber Bundles and Quantum Theory the article was in July '81 Sci Am 245, Number 1, p. 122; Almost every figure caption is incorrect or the figure, or its graphed-axis scales etc are incorrect. The illustration of the Indian temple dancer is really a direct example of the non-trivial topology of the O(3) group itself due to the identification in a simple parametrization by axis of rotation and angle of rotation (mapped in the obvious way to our actual 3-space as a ball of radius R) has an important identification of each point at +R in a given direction with the one at -R. I believe they never published our errata; it's not SciAM style to do so. I have a copy of all the errors I found somewhere in my office. Incidentally I think there is nothing except unintelligibility wrong with the illustration of that dancer's move; we wanted them to use a multiple flash time-sequence exposure and comissioned a famous photographer to do the photo our way but despite his boasts it didn't come out great that way either. We is Tony Phillips & me, we co-authored the piece. ______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: 6 different on pi_1(SO(3)) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:54:25 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Bruner I don't know if you want more on pi_1(SO(3)), but these comments don't seem to be in what I have read so far. I agree with David Pengelley that the demonstration using the rotation of a water glass has always seemed a bit unsatisfactory because you don't repeat the same motion twice. Instead the first pass goes under and the second goes over. Convincing someone who doesn't know any math that you haven't `cheated' can be a little hard. I don't know how to do this, but it does make me want to convince myself that I haven't cheated. The solution to this i have always used is to attach a framing of R^3 to each point of the arm, from shoulder to hand, starting with the constant framing (using parallel transport in R^3). Then each pass, under or over, composes with the same element of pi_1(SO(3)). The most satisfactory demonstration I have seen is similar to but different from Pengelley's `moves' using string and was shown to me by either Rob Thompson, Tom Hunter, Hal Sadofsky or Mark Hovey. (I apologize for not remembering exactly who showed me this.) It was called the marionette trick when i was shown it, but any asymmetrical object can be substituted for the marionette. Tie three strings from the marionette to a fixed object. I usually use three legs of an upended chair. Rotate the object through 720 degrees and the strings will now appear to be wound around one another. But with a little effort, you can untangle them without moving the object. This is nontrivial to do the first time, but is quite compelling, I find.